July 2, 2017 at 9:09 PM #6745
I have a question about module 005. We are looking at some religions in the world, three majors, Roman Catholics, JW’s and Mormons. We also have a file about the Mooneys. All of these have been good files and have given good information.
However, I have several questions about the module and false teachers that I think could be beneficial to the group. First, will we receive any teachings on Islam? If not are there any suggestions or sources the school would recommend that we can look up or listen too? In regards to the Islam question, I would generally like to know more about evangelism for an Islamic person.
My second question has to do with false teachers. It is obvious that Mormonism, Catholicism, and Jehovah’s Witnesses are all false doctrines. However, what position does the school take on televangelists? Is there a list or top 5 list that the school would recommend we consider false teachers, and not listen to their teachings. Off the top of my head, I would say Joel O’Steen, Joyce Meyer, T.D. Jakes, Beth Moore?…. and so on.
July 5, 2017 at 9:54 AM #6748ArleneParticipant
Concerning Islam,Jay Smith is someone I’ve enjoyed listening to. Here’s a link from Fixed Point, an interview by Larry Taunton: http://larryalextaunton.com/podcast/a-religion-of-peace/.
Concerning your second question CARM is another website.
July 5, 2017 at 7:39 PM #6751Chris TorresParticipant
I hope all you guys in current shepherd school are growing like weeds, press on brother.
Nabeel Quresh I believe would be a good resource for Islam, he is involved with RZIM currently going thru Chemotherapy. He has written some good material on Islam. Frank Turek covers some Islam as well.
I can’t speak for Shepherd School but some of them are evidently false teachers
Joel Osteen- Prosperity Gospel
T.D Jakes- Oneness Pentencostal and they and he deny the trinity (unless he’s recanted from denying the trinity) this is from my understanding that he also teaches modalism. (I am more than happy to stand corrected as well).
Joyce Meyer- Word of Faith
Kenneth Copeland- Word of Faith
Jesse Duplantis- Word of Faith
Creflo Dollar- Word of Faith
Brian Houston- Prosperity Gospel leans that way
The Ones that are the horizon, and some have been around for a bit
Brian Johnson- Bethel Church
Todd White- Lifestyle Christianity
Todd Bentley- Laughter Movemment
Heidi Baker- Laughter Movement
IHOP- International House of Prayer (Laughter Movement)
The last 5 mentioned usually run with the same group.
I can send you video after video of these teachers and their teaching if you like Keith
these are the ones that Im aware currently.
I hope this helped you and others that read this.
My encouragement to each and every one of you is be a Berean and search the Scriptures daily.
In order to know error you must the know the truth, study and show yourselves approved.
Brother in Christ
July 5, 2017 at 8:26 PM #6752
Thank you! Excellent information. I didn’t know of some of these teachers that you shared. I also didn’t know the laughter movement was a movement. I have seen the videos at Bethel Church and IHOP where they do the fire tunnels and the laughter stuff.
An issue I take away from my experience with Christianity is that we as Christians or even Christian organizations are sometimes too afraid to draw a line in the sand. I feel like there are 3 categories. You have guys like MacArthur who will lump everyone into one category because they aren’t Calvinists and call them false. Then you have the people who follow guys like Joel O’Steen and the like. They will pretty much listen and accept anything even when it is plain to see the false teacher teaches and represents false doctrine. The third category is I guess where I am struggling because that’s where I find myself. We like to say “take the best and chuck the rest.”
The problem I find with this is that it may lead to unforeseen future problems. For example, rat poison contains a small amount of poison but it does the job. At what point do we draw the line and say “I will not LISTEN to or ENTERTAIN this teacher?” We can all go to a junkyard and find something we could use. It might take a while but we could, so why not chuck certain teachers and call them out and not entertain them? We can get better information somewheres else besides the rat poison and the junkyard?
Many times people use the defense that they have strong discernment. Perhaps they don’t if they are entertaining the false teacher?
Thanks for sharing CARM with me. I use to use that page all the time, I will look into it. I have never heard of Jay Smith but I will check him out and the link.
Am I missing the boat?
July 7, 2017 at 6:33 PM #6760
The audio was very informative. I know a lot about most religions but Islam not so much. After listening to the audio I definitely felt like I need to learn more in evangelism with Muslims and about the belief in general. I know mostly surface information from the news or little things pastors say in sermons. I was shocked the most when he discussed the rate at which Islam is growing. “In 2020 Islam will be the largest religion in the world.” It seems like we don’t have an effective foothold of holding this at bay.
Thanks for the resource!
July 20, 2017 at 7:58 PM #6788MichaelKeymaster
I’m glad that Arlene and Chris were able to step in an give you some help and discussion on the topic.
So in regards to where to draw the line, I would have to agree with Chris. We should be like the Bereans in that we are searching out what is said against the Word of God. If we see that they are have a heretical doctrine that they are teaching, you probably shouldn’t even be wasting your time with them. If they are just teaching a doctrine that is not heretical from and opposing viewpoint of your own, I think it can be safe to, take the best and chuck the rest. There are pastors that I listen to that I don’t always agree with on certain doctrines, but the rest of their teachings are fantastic and often the Holy Spirit has used them to cut me to the heart and teach me lessons I needed at those times.
You did phrase the questions in such a manner that I believe you are already onto the answer you are looking for. I believe I agree with those. Some may have discernment at a great capacity than your own and do use it to their advantage in regards to choosing who to listen to and who not to, but with the training you are receiving in the Shepherd School, I know you have that ability as well. You are already proving it by your questions. The things is, we are all different and we will all have differing opinions on all of the multitudinous topics of life, but we will also have our strengths in specific areas as well. Take advantage of those opportunities where people want to give away knowledge and wisdom on their areas of expertise, but that does not mean you have to agree with everything else they believe as well.
Bible College Director
July 21, 2017 at 4:23 PM #6792
Thank you for the follow-up. I have been running across lots of different Christians who consider John Hagee and Joel Osteen as solid Bible teachers. It’s hard to tell our brethren that some of the people they listen to are false. Especially when the false teacher has a generic one size fits all doctrinal statement, but their writing and teachings don’t match. What I find even more difficult is confronting those who we respect and who we consider brothers.
I found great comfort in the Norm Geisler teachings about the New Age and the other teacher on Post Modernism. I see where my Christian brothers are falling into the trap because the underlying scheme of satan is very clever. I will continue to pray for my Christian brothers.
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